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    Seeking Republican willing to denounce armed rebellion

    by: desmoinesdem

    Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 08:10:41 AM CDT


    Now that we're done with the Joe "You Lie" Wilson sideshow, I want to talk about a different kind of Republican disrespect for normal political disagreement.

    Having been raised by a Republican of the now-extinct Rockefeller variety, I am often struck by how extreme the GOP has become. Chuck Grassley and Terry Branstad were on the far right in the early 1980s, but many Iowa conservatives now consider them "moderate" or even "liberal."

    Mainstream extremism in the Republican Party is depressing on many levels. It fosters ignorance, as when Iowa Republicans are led to believe that the judiciary is not supposed to interpret the constitution. It encourages politicians to put their theology ahead of civil laws.

    Most troubling is when prominent conservatives use language that condones physical violence or "revolution" to resist Democratic policy proposals. I fear that people will get hurt or killed if some mentally unstable person takes these appeals too literally.

    More thoughts on this subject are after the jump.

    desmoinesdem :: Seeking Republican willing to denounce armed rebellion
    All year, right-wingers have been egging each other on with fantasies about Barack Obama's supposedly socialist (or fascist) agenda. Too many Republicans lend credibility to these delusions.

    For example, Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma told his followers, "We're almost reaching a revolution in this country." He was presumably speaking figuratively, but it's not far-fetched to imagine someone taking up arms against alleged Democratic tyranny. A right-wing terrorist killed dozens of people in Oklahoma City in 1995.

    Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota has encouraged her constituents to be "armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax, because we need to fight back [...]." Speaking to a sympathetic audience about health care reform, Bachmann said,

    "This cannot pass,[...] What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn't pass."

    "Be armed and dangerous" and "do whatever it takes" mean different things to different people. I have no idea what Bachmann considers an acceptable response to the threat of climate change or health care legislation. Some conservatives have brought guns to crowded town-hall meetings in an apparent attempt to intimidate. Some people even called for physical violence at those town-halls. A man whose pastor famously prayed for Obama to die tried to bring a gun to one of the president's events this summer. If any well-known Republican condemned the idea of bringing firearms to a scene of heated political arguments, I didn't hear about it.

    Fortunately, no town-hall meetings in Iowa erupted into physical violence, but paranoia and extreme views were in plain view at some of them:

    One questioner asked Harkin if he realized that passage of a health care bill would force patriots to begin a civil war in the US?  This question was followed by sustained shouting of approval. Then the guy said there would be a million people marching in Washington to take back the country from the socialists unless the bill failed.

    I don't remember any Iowa Republican trying to ratchet down this kind of hyperbole. I understand why they don't want Democrats to succeed in passing health care reform, but is it too much to ask for someone in the "party of Lincoln" to stand up and say civil war is not an acceptable response to losing an election?

    During the August 23 Black Hawk County Republican dinner, Republican gubernatorial candidate Bob Vander Plaats

    criticized national Democratic Party plans to pursue a public health insurance option. People have angrily rallied against at town hall meetings, he said, because they fear losing their freedom to choose health care plans they want.

    "That's why (President) Barack Obama has been really, really good for two industries --- guns and ammunition," he said.

    He may have meant this as a joke, but it sounds like Vander Plaats is condoning the idea of taking up arms if the legislative majority changes the health insurance system. Iowa Democratic Party chair Michael Kiernan was right to call on Vander Plaats to retract that  "outrageous, irresponsible and very dangerous" statement:

    "The rhetoric of armed extremists has no place in the race for Governor and is outside the bounds of what's acceptable to Iowans," Kiernan said. "It's reckless and very dangerous to incite the misguided few who take such statements seriously."  

    Instead, the Vander Plaats campaign claimed that what the candidate said was no big deal. No rival Republican candidates criticized the remark either, not even Chris Rants, who has gone after Vander Plaats' ridiculous policy ideas and management skills.

    Speaking of Republicans who failed to denounce extremist rhetoric, look how Senator Chuck Grassley reacted to a questioner at his Pocahontas town-hall meeting in August. The exchange happens near the beginning of this video clip. The questioner introduces himself as a World War II veteran, then accuses Obama of acting like a "little Hitler," adding, "I'd take a gun to Washington if enough of you would go with me."

    Grassley could have clearly distanced himself from a violent uprising against Obama's policies. Instead, he said he didn't ascribe "ulterior motives" to what Obama is trying to accomplish, then gave a meandering answer about why people are right to be concerned about "the federal government taking everything over." Not good enough:

    "It was a credit to the senator's audience that they booed [the "little Hitler" questioner], but Sen. Grassley also has a responsibility as an elected official to categorically denounce Mr. Eisenhower's statement and the sentiment behind it," said Doug Pennington, assistant director of communications for Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Grassley may not have taken the threat seriously, Pennington said, since Eisenhower appears to be a senior citizen.

    "Yet we recently saw 88 year-old James W. von Brunn shoot and kill a security officer at the Holocaust Memorial Museum here in Washington, DC," he said.  "Sen. Grassley should have taken Mr. Eisenhower and his words very seriously."

    I suppose we should be grateful that Grassley didn't applaud the man who called for an armed march on Washington. Bleeding Heartland user MrScarletW noticed a Pocahontas County supervisor as well as the campaign manager for Iowa House district 8 candidate Tom Shaw clapping during Eisenhower's remarks. Shaw is not a fringe candidate; he's been endorsed by the Pocahontas County GOP.

    My father was a veteran and disliked President Jimmy Carter's policies as much as anyone, but he never would have joked about or cheered the idea of taking up arms against the federal government.

    Like the saying goes, this is not your father's Republican Party.

    LATE UPDATE: Nancy Pelosi got teary reflecting on the atmosphere in San Francisco in the 1970s leading up to the assassinations of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk. She's now being attacked, as usual, but I agree with her comment, especially this part: "I wish that we would all, again, curb our enthusiasm in some of the statements that are made, understanding that -- that some of the people -- the ears it is falling on are not as balanced as the person making the statement might assume."

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    I agree (4.00 / 1)
    that Grassley should have said "we'll have none of that here," and quickly. I think it's particularly irresponsible for an elected official (or a wanna-be) to make guns/ammo/revolution jokes or references.

    Some of it is regional. It's just not acceptable to talk like that where I live, esp after the dc sniper shootings.

    However, I've been at political meetings where someone has said something like "If X doesn't change, I'm going to cut someone!" That's a street expression that's not unheard of -- literally it means to use a knife as a weapon to do harm, but most who utter this would never literally draw a knife ....

    My attitude is whenever these types of events occur, local law enforcement should be contacted, and they may choose to go higher, depending on whom the threat was directed at. So, if the fbi is now monitoring the 80 year old in the youtube, I wouldn't consider it a violation of his privacy.

    On the flip side, I'm utterly exhausted by all the attention these folks get on cable and internet. Let me explain -- before the internet, I'd never heard of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and these other types. I still wouldn't know where to find them on tv/radio. I have no interest in what they have to say.

    Similarly, at least where I am, the old white men (mostly) that one can pick out for inappropriate speech are not representative of my Republican friends, who largely happen to be Russian or black conservatives in my neighborhood and beyond. We've had long and interesting conversations about why we have different political views on things. I've never heard any threat of an uprising, or whatever, and of course, they don't hear it from me, not even two years ago ...

    I guess my rules of the road would be:

    1. A pol or pol wanna-be who talks like this would never get my vote or support,

    2. Someone who makes a threat gets reported (and I've done it) This goes beyond political threats to other situations like domestic violence and so on.

    but beyond that, I have no desire to gin it up. Let me explain ... so, the 'birther' phenomenon is really big right now ... all those scary birthers ...

    I have four grandparents from four different countries. Different religions. Two parents from two different countries. I wasn't born in the US. I don't really look like Shawn Johnson. Now, I visit all kinds of nooks and crannies in the US, sometimes alone, often on a bike w/ no quick escape. I've spent weeks in Appalachia, backwoods of Maine, and I go through this all the time:

    Q: Where are you from?
    Me: MD/DC
    Q: No, where are you really from?

    and so on. It means that I'm not viewed as a "real American" or "true patriot," if you prefer. The outside ties are still too close. Like Obama, I refuse to commit to one particular strand of my heritage (I like them all) and it's too easy for me to shape-shift. I'm not typed easily because I don't look like anything in particular. This makes people nervous, believe me. I've experienced 'birthers' up close.

    It wouldn't stop me from going to Pocahontas County, though, or anywhere else I'd like to go. If I met the man in the youtube, I wouldn't even give it a second thought. I rely on my ability to communicate and to get along. Fundamentally, this is a country of pretty decent people. I'm not going to live in fear of people who don't think or act like I do.

    "Yet we recently saw 88 year-old James W. von Brunn shoot and kill a security officer at the Holocaust Memorial Museum here in Washington, DC," he said.  "Sen. Grassley should have taken Mr. Eisenhower and his words very seriously."

    Perhaps Sen Grassley should talk to the fbi. However, as a resident of the area subjected periodically to shoot-em-ups, I fear the repercussions of a deteriorating economy more than the gentleman from Iowa, truth be told. Snipers, planes flying into the Pentagon, drug trade, fights on the metro, nut cases at the Holocaust Museum -- well, we have plenty of problems in this country.


    thought (4.00 / 2)
    you might get a laugh. Look at what follows me here:

    Does it help the site if I click on the link?


    I don't think it helps the site (4.00 / 1)
    but perhaps it costs Steny Hoyer money per click, so by all means click through!

    I think the ad rates for blogs are based only on blog traffic, and once Bleeding Heartland had enough traffic to qualify to be part of the Google ad or Blogads political blog groups, the ads started appearing. During the primaries I remember noticing an ad for McCain of all people on this blog. It got there only because we're part of the Google ad group.

    I donate my portion of Bleeding Heartland ad revenues to BlogPAC.

    Invite other Iowa political junkies to join us at Bleeding Heartland.


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    I checked in with a local DM firearms dealer today... (0.00 / 0)
    Still short of handgun and assault rifle ammunition.
    I have no idea how much ammunition flew off the shelves when Obama was elected, but there is still a shortage, and the stuff gets rationed when it comes in, or folks will simply buy this guy out.

    This guy also complained of Polk County issuing "Permits to Purchase" for handguns to "illegal immigrants".  He said, "Even a dog can get a permit to aquire handguns in Polk County".

    There was recently a revision of ATF Form 4473 which does allow for legal immigrants to purchase firearms for hunting purposes if their immigration status is "legal".

    This fellow says he wouldn't sell to what he termed an "illegal immigrant" under any circumstances.

    And he said his biggest sales have been of assault style weapons to "concerned patriots" these past several months.

    Yes, I have conerns over bloodshed.  I am strongly in favor of restricting sales of certain types of assault weapons for certain.  Working in my garage, it would only take me about ten minutes to fashion a "sear disconnector" for many of these weapons that would turn them from semi-automatic to fully automatic (submachine guns).
    Unfortunately, I doubt if Obama will do much to restrict, fearing racheting up tenstions already existing.  

    Well, that's my two cents worth.  Scary times, IMHO.  

    Che! Che! Che Guevara!! El gobierno a la chingada!!


    Obama won't push gun control (4.00 / 1)
    No chance.

    The continuous low-level buzz about Obama's illegitimacy as president (birther movement), combined with the fear-mongering about socialism/fascism, makes me worried. There has been an increase in right-wing militia activity since last November.

    Invite other Iowa political junkies to join us at Bleeding Heartland.


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    Many of the "Christian Identity" folks... (4.00 / 1)
    Are really pushing the "birther" and "tea party" movements for sure.  Sadly, they are being very quiet about their involvement and support, so many folks who might be turned off by Aryan Nations, and racial purity "Christian" sub-sects, are being drawn in to this whole paranoid schema en masse.

    And it doesn't help that Glenn Beck and Rush are basically pushing a good sized chunk of the Christian Identity Movement's party line and propaganda out the door to huge, loyal audiences.  

    I had somebody I would not take for a racist or a reactionary ask me the other day if I had ever read "The Turner Diaries"...

    Now that just plain scares the shit out of me.

    Che! Che! Che Guevara!! El gobierno a la chingada!!


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