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    Is the Big Lug too big to win? What Gov. Culver can learn from Chris Chrstie.

    by: American007

    Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 15:53:23 PM CDT


    ( - promoted by desmoinesdem)

    Is being overweight a political handicap? That's the big question posed by Daniel Engber in a very interesting piece this week at Slate.com. At issue, the contentious Corzine-Christie race in New Jersey and a weighty issue that has developed between the two men. Namely, the issue of weight.

    You see, Corzine (D), the incumbent governor, is an average-to-fit 62. He considers himself a "health nut". He runs marathons. For a man who was very nearly killed in a car accident two years ago, he is in excellent health. 

    His opponent, Chris Christie (R), is an obese 47-year old. He considers himself "a Jersey guy, with a Jersey gut". He jokes about his weight. He says that he has been heavy since his teenage years, and has tried to lose the weight several times, to no avail.

    The controversy all started with this ad:

    The ad doesn't explicitly mention weight at all. The gist of the ad, rather, is that Christie used his power as U.S. Attorney to get out of some nasty driving tickets. However, instead of the phrase "used his power", the ad says  "threw his weight around". In classic attack ad fashion, the ad closes on an unnatural slow-motion image of the opponent--only this time, he's getting out of a car--and well, jiggling.

    As you can see, the message is pretty clear. Christie claims this is "character assassination". Corzine claims that he "...doesn't give a hoot about Mr. Christie's weight."

    Still, the real issue is, is it working? The answer is, very likely yes. As Engber points out, two separate polls by  Public Policy Polling (.pdf) and the New York Times both confirm--independent voters are significantly less likely to vote for an overweight candidate.

    And, as Engber tells us, that bias might just be reflected already in the nation's governors. Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com recently looked at the shape of the nation's governors and found that (in his non-medical, decidedly tongue-in-cheek estimation) only 10 (or 20%) current governors are visibly overweight. (He includes Gov. Culver, who he calls "squarish", based on this photo.)

    Engbert accounts for this disparity (remember that more than two-thirds of Americans are overweight) with the following analysis:

    ...there's no constituency for a fat politician. Conservatives see excess weight as a sign of moral failing or a breach of personal responsibility. Liberals sneer at the bloated American lifestyle, even while imagining the war on obesity as a fight for social justice.
    American007 :: Is the Big Lug too big to win? What Gov. Culver can learn from Chris Chrstie.
    What does this mean for our own Big Lug?

    First, it's not hard to see something of a physical parallel between the New Jersey race and the potential governor's race here (forgive my poor Photoshop skills):

    Corzine and Branstad 

    Christie and Culver

    The potential parallel between the two races raises a lot of questions.

    First, would such an attack work in Iowa, or is it limited to the nasty political battlefield of New Jersey?

    Would Gov. Branstad (or whoever the Republican nominee turns out to be--all the front runners are relatively fit men) use such a base, but seemingly effective attack?

    Will Gov. Culver attempt to get in shape before election season, or will he follow in Christie's footsteps (e.g. "This is who I am.")? 

    Please, to steal a line from desmoinesdem, share your thoughts below. :)

    Also, let's try our own version of the New York Times poll. I'll even use the exact wording. It's anonymous, so please be honest.

    Poll
    Does the appearance of a candidate--I mean the way he looks--influence your vote, or doesn't it make a difference to you?
    Influences vote
    Doesn't make a difference
    Don't Know/No Answer

    Results

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    according to Jason Clayworth (4.00 / 2)
    citing the governor's office, Culver is training for a triathlon in Florida this month. I assume this means he exercising regularly, with a view to getting in shape for next year. Anyway, he's not as big as Christie looks in this ad:

    Branstad will do anything he needs to do to win. I will never forget his ad against Bonnie Campbell saying that as attorney general, she'd never prosecuted any sex offenders--not even child molesters. It was "true," because the attorney general doesn't prosecute sex offenders--county attorneys do. It was charged because there was a high-profile child abduction/murder not long before the 1994 election.

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    Would it work here? (4.00 / 1)
    Do you think Iowans would go for this kind of playground "the other guy's a fatty, fatty, boombaladdy" attacks? I mean, that might fly in New Jersey, but we're generally more, well, nice here in Iowa.

    I agree, I think Branstad would do it too--if it would work, that is.


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    I too have been worried about such attacks... (0.00 / 1)
    The Corzine/Chrstie battle has been interesting to watch. Looks like the Dem may pull it out although I'm NOT convinced it will be because of the "weight around" theme. It will be because of Democrats coming out of a slumber after a summer filled with Tea Bags and Angry Mob activism.

    In Iowa political attack ads are usually more subtle or less harsh. I recall the 2003 caucus battle when Dean & Gephart slugged it out - opening the door for both Edwards and Kerry to defeat Dean & Gep. Obama & Hil kept it fairly tame. There is a notion out there that Iowa Voters WILL punish those who are  too harsh commercials.

    The line will be very thin (no pun intended). It isn't hard for me to foresee a "cut the fat" in the budget or some other "belt tightening" joke/animation/culver look alike...etc., etc.

    Its personally distasteful, but for some it works. If nothing else, it may be smart to release a "FAT AD" as a web video or in an fundraising e-mail and as a result just get TONS of free press and chatter about it (not to mention $$). That usually works best for direct personal attacks as opposed to wonk-ish complaint Ads.


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    I lived in the UK (4.00 / 2)
    during their 1992 parliamentary campaign, and I remember a fellow American commenting that Britain was the land of homely politicians. It wasn't just looks, it was haircuts, eyeglasses, the way they dressed--the average member of the British Parliament doesn't look as smooth as the average member of Congress. I think Americans in general are focused on appearance more than voters in some other countries.

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    "I think Americans in general are focused on appearance more than voters in some other countries." (4.00 / 1)
    I tend to agree, DMD.  Interesting post.

    [ Parent ]
    That's correct (0.00 / 0)
    Ronald Reagan is an example of how American voters focus on appearence.  Reagan made a good image of a president.  His actual record was a failure.

    two more thoughts (4.00 / 1)
    First, Christie could still win the NJ governor's race. I wouldn't bet on that, but it wouldn't be too surprising.

    Second, if Culver does drop a lot of weight in the next 6-9 months, that could even be a political plus. Americans love a famous person who's lost a lot of weight. Huckabee certainly benefited from doing so (and he was much heavier to begin with than Culver--I think he lost 100 pounds or so).

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    Christie win (4.00 / 1)
    Yes, could happen. NJ and MD are very much alike. Polling is unreliable. Reason: it can depend on last minute deals to turn on machines.

    Many Steele-Cardin polls showed a tight race, but Cardin won by 10pts or so.

    Here is a pure hypothetical. Say that Dem pol X in some region of NJ decides that his political fortunes improve by taking on a Christie admin in four years. No need to hustle for Corzine.

    However, Corzine has been spreading the $$ all over the place, so I'd give him the edge.

    The race is close enough that it's a deal-making dream.

    Raise your hand if you really believe that these things get decided by "Vote for me, hon, for your free mammogram" sales pitches.


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    I read an article (4.00 / 1)
    (son't remember where) that said ppl in the midwest are more tolerant of obesity than east coasters.

    What I think Culver needs to do is make sure his gut doesn't swing in one direction while he's moving in the other. He wears a little heft well, so "big lug" is ok, but a gut with a mind of its own, not so much.

    I haven't seen his backside, but for men, "bubble butt" is devastating. Also, "mom jeans." He needs to tighten up a bit, look a little more linebacker-ish, and he'll be ok.

    Read a blurb somewhere where he says he likes biking as long as it's flat terrain. I'd be happy to "give back," Iowa-style. If he's at the bottom of a long hill, I'll stand up top with a cowbell, clanging away while yelling: you can doooooooooooo it!


    martin o'malley (4.00 / 1)

    MD-Gov pretty much ran his '06 race as a chick magnet, I'm sorry to say.


    let's not forget (0.00 / 0)
    A slimmer Culver ranked number 4 on Playboy Radio's list of the most "doable" governors and ex-governors. O'Malley ranked number 5.

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    I'm as open-minded as the next person, (4.00 / 1)
    but Janet Napolitano at #14? Arnold at #1? This list isn't floating my boat. I'd even take Culver the Bigger over some of these options!


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    Yeah, that list is a bit...odd... (4.00 / 1)
    Still, though, Culver's got an inner hunk for sure. But he's going to have to work out to find it. Just comparing some of his old campaign ads to pictures of him now show he's let himself go a bit (not that I have any room to talk)...

    I know it's  hard to turn back the clock, but if he could get back to his Secretary of State physique, he'd be back on the studliest governor's list for sure!



    [ Parent ]
    nice pic (4.00 / 2)
    although perhaps you photoshopped to make him look good, hmm?

    not that I have any room to talk

    the dark side of Pancake Day ...


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    if memory serves (4.00 / 1)
    a bunch of call girls ranked the photos for Playboy. In most cases they didn't know who the politicians were, but of course everyone would recognize Arnold.  

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    oh boy... (4.00 / 2)
    I think Gov. Culver should be taking notes...

    Chris Christie (R) said today,

    "If you're going to do it, at least man up and say I'm fat,"

    There was some talk today that this has started to turn the tide for Christie, I don't buy it. I just thought it was interesting and thought I'd share the latest on NJ's "Fat-Gate." HA!

    http://politicalticker.blogs.c...


    [ Parent ]
    I saw part of Culver's press conference on Wednesday (4.00 / 1)
    He is not as overweight as Christie!

    My main concern about the NJ election is that the independent candidate, Daggett, is going to be buried down-ballot, while Corzine and Christie are at the top. I fear that a lot of Daggett leaners will land with Christie when they have the ballot in front of them.

    In the good news column, Corzine supposedly leads among those who have already voted.

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    November 3 update (0.00 / 0)
    Christie won after all, but it was closer than it should have been given Corzine's miserable approval numbers and the state of the economy.

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    Update (0.00 / 0)
    okay, so i hate coming back to this thread, i really do. But did anyone see the Iowa Republican this afternoon! They have photos of Gov. Culver's Triathlon.

    Normally, I'd say, yay for getting in shape. thats great. However, photos have emerged of Chet shirtless. eeeeeek. I'd say however, given the recent poll numbers, shirtless photos are the LEAST of his worries...

    http://theiowarepublican.com/h...  


    [ Parent ]
    I saw that (0.00 / 0)
    but good for him to finish a triathlon. I've never even run a 10K. Presumably he will be in better shape in time for the Hy-Vee Triathlon next summer!

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