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How Harkin and Grassley voted on the balanced budget amendments

by: desmoinesdem

Wed Dec 14, 2011 at 15:41:22 PM CST


The Senate defeated Democratic and Republican versions of a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution today. Details on the votes and statements from Iowa's senators are after the jump.
desmoinesdem :: How Harkin and Grassley voted on the balanced budget amendments
Constitutional amendments need a two-thirds majority in each chamber of Congress, and neither balanced budget proposal came close to that level of support today. Democrat Mark Udall of Colorado proposed an amendment that received just 21 yes votes (roll call), all but one from Democrats. In addition to banning Congress from spending more than projected revenues, Udall's amendment "would have prohibited Congress from lowering taxes on millionaires and would have created a 'lock box' for the Social Security Trust Fund."

The Republican balanced budget amendment offered by Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah went down on a straight party-line vote of 53 to 47.

Chuck Grassley voted for Hatch's proposal and against Udall's. Tom Harkin voted against both versions of the balanced budget amendment. Harkin's office released this statement on December 14:

"I opposed the Senate Republicans' proposal, offered by Senator Hatch because its effect will be to dismantle the middle class and the programs upon which middle class Americans rely.  It would require that federal government expenditures not exceed 18 percent of the GDP unless two-thirds of the House and the Senate vote to waive the requirement.  Government spending has not been at that level since 1966, when Medicare was just starting, Social Security was far smaller, and the share of our nation's population over 65 was far smaller.  In other words, passage of this amendment would require massive cuts to Social Security, Medicare and many other crucial programs.  It is another Republican effort to dismantle our nation's social safety net to the detriment of the middle class and benefit of the wealthy.  

"Equally troubling, the amendment would also prevent our nation from effectively responding to recessions and other economic challenges.  During economic downturns, our needs increase at precisely the time revenues fall.  That is not the time to require huge cuts to government spending, further adding downward pressure on an already hurting economy.  

"Finally, this proposal prevents tax increases without the approval of two-thirds majority in the House and Senate.  This not only goes against my belief that Congress must have a balanced approach to addressing our debt, but also shows that Senate Republicans are more interested in protecting special tax breaks for the very wealthy and the largest corporations.  

"But I also could not lend my support to the proposal offered by Senator Udall.  While I strongly favor and have proposed increasing taxes on the wealthy, I do not believe specific tax provision requirements should be enshrined into the U.S. Constitution."

Harkin is right on all points here. It's disappointing that so many Democrats are too timid to make the case against a balanced budget amendment. On the contrary, people like Udall echo Republican talking points and false analogies:

"I'm proud to have led this historic vote for greater fiscal responsibilty in Congress," Udall said. "While I'm disappointed that more of my colleagues didn't join me in this effort, this was an important debate that I hope raised awareness among my colleagues -- and among the American people -- about the very serious consequences of government spending without accountability.

"We've got to begin to run the federal government like American families run their households."

Except that as Bleeding Heartland has discussed before, the federal government's role in the economy is not comparable to that of a typical family. In any event, Americans often spend more money than they take in for good reason. If all families were forced to live under the constraints of Republican balanced budget rhetoric, they would be unable to buy a home or save for a child's higher education.

Grassley delivered this speech on the Senate floor yesterday:

Mr. President, I am very pleased that the Senate is today taking up the Balanced Budget Amendment.  The Senate has passed a balanced budget amendment in the past. More recently, it has come close to passing a balanced budget amendment.  I regret that this amendment has not become law.  I believe that had the Constitution been amended to require a balance budget, we would not today face the dire budgetary situation that is before us.

The balanced budget amendment before us today is straightforward.  It provides that total outlays shall not exceed total receipts unless each House of Congress by a 2/3 vote agrees otherwise.  To provide spending discipline, total outlays cannot exceed 18% of GDP unless 2/3 of both Houses of Congress vote to waive the cap.  The President will be required to submit a balanced budget to the Congress.  To avoid balancing the budget by imposing tax burdens, new taxes or increases in total revenues can be imposed only by a 2/3 vote of both Houses.  And the debt limit will be able to be raised only if 3/5 of both Houses vote to increase it.

To provide a level of flexibility in wartime, the provisions on outlays and receipts, total outlays, and the debt limit can be overcome by a 3/5 vote.  To minimize disruption, the amendment will not take place for five years.  Finally, the courts cannot enforce the balanced budget amendment by ordering a tax increase.

Reverence for the Constitution is a sentiment we all share.  But the Constitution provides for an amendment process.  When it is necessary, each generation has amended the Constitution.  When a guarantee of free speech, or the abolition of slavery, or giving women the right to vote was necessary, the Constitution was amended.  No one said that reverence for the Constitution was the end of the matter.

We have reached that point of necessity with the balanced budget amendment.  The Congressional Research Service reports:

"The budget deficit each year from 2009 to 2011 has been the highest ever in dollar terms, and significantly higher as a share of GDP, than at any time since World War II.  Under current policies, the federal debt is projected to grow more quickly than GDP, leading observers to term it unsustainable."

The very purpose of the Constitution, according to its Preamble, was to extend the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.  It is because the growth in the national debt is unsustainable that our posterity may not receive those blessings.

It is hard to imagine an amendment more in keeping with the goals of the Constitution than this one.  Otherwise, runaway debt will expand exponentially.  A permanent spiral can be created in which the debt feeds on itself.  Take a look at Europe today.  Nations risk default when they overspend.  If we are not careful, the United States at some point will face that same crisis.  It is frightening to contemplate.

We hear from opponents that Congress can balance the budget now, without a balanced budget amendment.  But the fact is that it cannot.

For more than 40 years, Congress has been unable to summon the ability to balance the budget.  Statutes that sought to provide a path to a balanced budget failed.  The only exception was for three years going into this century when a financial bubble provided windfall revenues.  Because Congress has been unable to control spending, the budgets have been in deficit and the national debt has increased.  The only way that Congress will exercise the discipline to balance the budget is if the Constitution forces it to do so.

Forty-six state constitutions require that their budgets be in balance.  They meet that requirement.  As members of Congress, we take an oath to adhere to defend the Constitution.  We take that oath seriously.  If the balanced budget amendment became a part of the Constitution, we will adhere to it or face the consequences from the voters.

Mr. President, this amendment wisely contains effective tax limitations as an integral part.  I have favored a balanced budget with tax limitations for more than 20 years.

For decades, federal spending has far outpaced even the steady and sizeable growth in taxes and revenues.  Raising taxes does not produce surpluses.  The historical fact is that they spur more spending.  For every additional dollar in taxes Congress has raised since World War II, it has spent an additional $1.13.  Raising taxes would make balancing the budget harder, not easier.  Without a supermajority requirement for tax increases, a balanced budget amendment may well encourage tax increases, fueling greater spending, and the continuation of additional debt and costs of servicing the debt.

The failure to balance the budget is a fiscal issue of the greatest importance.  But it is also a moral issue.  Without a balanced budget amendment, our children and grandchildren will pay for this generation's chronic inability to live within its means.  In the absence of an amendment, the standard of living for future generations will likely decline.  The fears of many Americans that the next generation will not live as well as this one are in many respects traceable to decades of fiscal irresponsibility on the part of the Congress.  This balanced budget amendment would mean a stronger economy, good government, and more jobs.

I believe the American people are willing to do their part to prevent future generations from being saddled with an unconscionable level of debt.  They are willing to do so even if it means that some federal spending they support would be affected.  This is especially true if our budgeting is done fairly.

Mr. President, I believe that if one listens closely to the arguments of the opponents of this measure, one will hear more arguments against a balanced budget than against a balanced budget amendment.  There will need to be difficult actions taken.  It is those difficulties that have prevented Congress from balancing the budget.  Those difficulties are therefore reasons for a constitutional amendment, not reasons against one.  But balancing the budget is necessary.  And it will take an amendment to do it consistently.

We also hear arguments about the need to run deficits when the economy is in a recession. The amendment before us permits Congress to vote to run a deficit in that situation.  But be skeptical of the argument.  If deficits and debt gave us a strong economy, right now we would be in the midst of the greatest economic boom in our history.  Obviously, we are not.  Deficits of $1 trillion plus and a national debt of $15 trillion are not stabilizing the economy.

In fact, I believe that the size of the deficit and debt is one reason the economy is not performing well.  The size of looming deficits and debt is another.  The markets are not viewing that debt as stabilizing a weak economy.  Rather, they view it correctly as a drag on the economy.

On the issue of enforcement, the opponents attack straw men.  They say either that the amendment cannot be enforced, so it is toothless, or they say that the courts will enforce it, leading to chaos.  Both of these arguments cannot be true.

The amendment will be enforced by the President submitting a balanced budget and Congress complying with the amendment, as do state legislators all over the country.  Members take an oath and voters will punish those who do not obey the constitutional command.  With respect to the courts, the text of the amendment prohibits courts from raising taxes.  And standing requirements, ripeness, and the doctrine of a political question will mean that the courts will continue to lack the power of the purse, as has been the case throughout our history.

Mr. President, in the past dozen years, Congress has been unable to balance the budget even when times are good.  Had we passed a balanced budget amendment when it was before us in the past, we would not have racked up the huge deficits that now confront us.

We have heard in the past that a balanced budget amendment was not necessary because Congress could balance the budget on its own.  Those arguments were wrong.

Today, we face one of the worst debt pictures in our history.  If nothing is done, the future will be even worse.  We owe a responsibility to the American people and to future generations to maintain the fiscal discipline that has allowed us to be the world's biggest economy.  Our pleas for a balanced budget amendment have been denied by a minority in the past.

We warned what road lay ahead if we failed to pass a balanced budget amendment.  Time has unfortunately proved us right.  It is not too late if we act now.  But time is growing shorter each year.

I urge my colleagues to do the right thing and enact a constitutional requirement that the budget be balanced.

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when I read (4.00 / 1)
statements like this from Harkin, I am inclined to enthusiastically support his re-election in 2014.

agreed (4.00 / 1)
and how hard would it be for other Democrats to convey that message? This stuff is not complicated. Instead, we have Boswell and Loebsack playing CYA on the balanced budget amendment.

Invite other Iowa political junkies to join us at Bleeding Heartland.

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Has it really come to this? (0.00 / 0)
Has it really gotten to the point where Republicans have backed a restrictive BBA like the Chaffetz plan and Dems are now completely against any Balanced Budget Amendment?  Sad.  

economists do not support balanced budget amendments (4.00 / 1)
because recessions cause both a drop in government revenues and an increase in demand for government services. When the federal government cuts back sharply on spending, it makes an economic downturn worse. Passing any balanced budget amendment would send us right back to 1937 every time we have a dip in the business cycle.  

Invite other Iowa political junkies to join us at Bleeding Heartland.

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True, largely (0.00 / 0)
You mean Keynesian economists, we need to quit taking orders from Krugman and admit we can think for ourselves.  Inflation is a real problem and part of that is caused by an increase in the money supply.

Krugman's a smart guy and I respect him, but he's become a cartoon character and an ideologue, an economist should never have blinders on.  Macroeconomic theories are too overbearing and can cause a lot of harm if we are not careful whether its austerity or stimulative.

One of the reasons why we are losing retail jobs even is because average folks can not deal with the inflation and then these big box stores with their rock bottom prices.  I am not a Paulist and I don't flip out out about inflation in the same way that other people do, I support the stimulus and support large infrastructure projects.  3-5% interest on the money that we are borrowing will not last forever however.  

We are dealing with the big three (SS, Medicare and Medicaid) Simpson-Bowles offered serious proposals on eliminating some of the unnecessary tax expenditures and then Mark Warner had a serious plan to deal with the big three which are driving the deficit.  Simpson-Bowles and Mark Warner were of course booed off the stage by the people on both sides who are more committed to social engineering as opposed to solving our structural fiscal issues.  

 


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I reject the premise (0.00 / 0)
That dealing with the budget deficit is the most pressing problem the federal government faces. Bringing down unemployment would do a lot more to help match revenues with expenditures.

Republicans don't really believe their own balanced budget propaganda. When the economy was headed downhill in 2001 and 2002, President George W. Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress supported major deficit spending to help compensate for the drop in private-sector demand.

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Valid point (0.00 / 0)
I don't think it is the most pressing issue either.  Most liberal Democrats are not taking the issue seriously in my estimation however.  We're not going to be dealing with George Bush Republicans, most GOPers have gone hardline and want strict spending limits.  

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but if Democrats went along (0.00 / 0)
with a balanced budget amendment, then the federal government would lose that flexibility--avoiding a deficit will trump all other policy priorities.

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Possibly (4.00 / 1)
It depends upon the wording, most state budgets that are required to be balanced aren't, they are papered over by adding this and that.   We must do something if just for the optics alone.

It doesn't have to be something as restrictive as Cut, Cap and Balance.  Get rid of the Cap and things will be okay.  We have talented people who would probably work on the language.

The courts may deem it to be unconstitutional, but we have to do something before the GOP does something truly draconian.  

I understand your point and I hope you don't think I am harping at you.  Democrats are always more sensible and rational when fiscal reforms need to be made.  


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What a bunch of muddle! (4.00 / 2)
I read Krugman's blog. He is not a cartoon character nor does he have blinders on.

What does it mean that folks "cannot deal with the inflation"?  What does it mean that "Macroeconomic theories are too overbearing"?

Social Security is paid for.  The trust fund has a trillion dollar surplus, invested where the whole world puts its money whenever there is anything to worry about.  These "big three" are not driving the deficit any more than is the $700 billion military budget and the wars that run "off budget."

The problem is that wealth has become concentrated in this economy and the wealthy have convinced us all that we can't afford ourselves, as well as convincing us that the wealthy should be above the fray in their gated communities.  Taxes are at a sixty year low, but don't ask Congress to fix that!


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Well (0.00 / 0)
Krugman needs to run for office, you become a cartoon once you always take a certain ideological point of view on the issues,

Nacroeconomic theories that lead to HAMP for example are typically linked to one size fits all approaches.  Right wingers like Friedman believed in macroeconomic theories like free trade and deregulation was good in all situationa.

There are a lot of serious economists who don't believe in stimulus spending at all, Krugman gets and they are just dumbasse?  I think not,  

I agree with you that our budgeting over the last ten years has been irresponsible.  I do believe we can tax the rich more and should, I wish wages were higher, but they don't have to be in a global economy.  Nationalizing industries could also stop wealth concentration, but I don't endorse far reaching policies typically tied to nationalization of industry,

SS is solvent, 60 thousand people are enrolling in the program per day.  You can take people to death and it won't really fix the problem.  Non-ideological people admit that there is a problem, I know Jon Stewart thinks its all about interventionism and tax cuts, but the problem.

Be civil please, no need to insult me just because you don't think I see the concentration of wealth or that I don't have a problem with it.  I've had this debate with dmd before.  


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Some of that was cut off (0.00 / 0)
Not sure what happened, no point in dealing with issues like income inequality that I can't fix.  I don't own a business and I'm not entitled to a decent wage, you take what you can get.  I've come to realization long ago.  I'm sorry I didn't fawn over Krugman enough with my muddling.


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